Lichess cheater arena pairing

> It was a random idea but why not?

because several devs told you that unregistered users are not tracked. so i personally know only of two ways to come up with such a number: (1) some type of random number generator and (2) magic.

Well you have a lot of ideas to solve what you consider to be a problem.

Thing is, personally I don't think it's a problem, I love the fact that I can literally play anyone anonymously, it adds to the fun, otherwise I'll just always play on an account.

Before trying to find a solution, maybe we should be sure enough people agree with your premises, for instance for me your suggestions would change things for the worst.

@glbert said in #31:
> because several devs told you that unregistered users are not tracked. so i personally know only of two ways to come up with such a number: (1) some type of random number generator and (2) magic.

Yes sorry, read it fast and the word "random" escaped. The fact it should be random now, does not mean it can't be otherwise. Just marking a checkbox could allow anonymous players to play under another modality acepting lichess to keep ip's and stats. But again, just a quick and random idea. I'm not trying to give a true solution right here, just saying there should be one.

@Hitsugaya said in #32:
> Well you have a lot of ideas to solve what you consider to be a problem.
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> Thing is, personally I don't think it's a problem, I love the fact that I can literally play anyone anonymously, it adds to the fun, otherwise I'll just always play on an account.
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> Before trying to find a solution, maybe we should be sure enough people agree with your premises, for instance for me your suggestions would change things for the worst.

I already said it, maybe many times. I'm giving MY personal feedback and do not expect others to agree. Having a hidden rating does not mean you could not play players of any rating if you can select the rating range you want to play. By reading your comment, I can't se how it would make it worst for you.

@taco_fischer said in #34:
> I already said it, maybe many times. I'm giving MY personal feedback and do not expect others to agree. Having a hidden rating does not mean you could not play players of any rating if you can select the rating range you want to play. By reading your comment, I can't se how it would make it worst for you.

Ok so we would have a hidden rating but we can still select the rating range we want to play so what's the point of it being hidden?

What's the difference between having an account? The only difference I see is that games (which are not that interesting to anyone unless you reach that super GM level and even then: title, events and money are what push some game to notoriety) are accessible and you have a pseudo attached to that "hidden" rating (that you can hide in options).

I'm sorry but I still don't see the problem.

Being hidden of not, I think it should be more of a personal preference of each player. What is important about the rating is the propper pairing it allows, as thibault said before.

It seems like beating a dead horse here. Anonymous users aren't tracked, and I think it would be really strange for lichess to maintain a history on IP addresses, much less declare a probability of cheating. It would be like maintaining "accounts" in a very nontransparent way - is suspect the average anonymous user would not want this. If you wish to more consistently be paired with users at your rating level, there's an excellent mechanism for that- making an account :)

Maybe the best solution to your problem would be temporary or short term accounts or something like that, without needing to provide contact info. Which is an interesting suggestion, but maybe a bit niche...

My only additional contribution here is that the title of this thread makes it sound like a suggestion that we should have an arena specific for cheaters hahaha

I don't think I have faced cheaters in anonymous play. But yes, in rated I did a huge number of times. I flag them whenever I am suspicious. Sometimes LIchess notifies me I have been awarded some points because I was cheated upon and the cheater's account has been closed. Fair enough. On the other famous chess site, they don't even bother, especially if the person is a premium subscriber. I don't go there at all.

@mtxo said in #37:
>It seems like beating a dead horse here. Anonymous users aren't tracked, and I think it would be really strange for lichess to maintain a history on IP addresses, much less declare a probability of cheating. It would be like maintaining "accounts" in a very nontransparent way - is suspect the average anonymous user would not want this. If you wish to more consistently be paired with users at your rating level, there's an excellent mechanism for that- making an account :)

I think any solution (not necessarily that one) could be optional rather than mandatory.

>Maybe the best solution to your problem would be temporary or short term accounts or something like that, without needing to provide contact info. Which is an interesting suggestion, but maybe a bit niche...

Allowing to play "anonymous" games (no public activity or association between the game and the user) to registered users (nobody discussed that), would be almost the same I think. And it wouldn't be niche as even the developers (I think) seem to play anonymous games. Anonymous users can't comment on the forums and even if they could they are likely not reading it. I can easily imagine many more players preferring to play some, most or all of their games anonimously.

>My only additional contribution here is that the title of this thread makes it sound like a suggestion that we should have an arena specific for cheaters hahaha

Maybe a wrong choice, yes.