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Trump lost the election in 2020 to Biden

It may indeed be condescending. But it is both intelligible and accurate.

You think "influence" isn't a thing? Fascinating.

You think people have to be "dumb" to be influenced? Fascinating.

Perfectly normal, capable people can be influenced to follow a particular way of looking at things.

For example, there are people whom I don't feel to be "dumb" who nevertheless repeat the oft-repeated , yet frankly silly, idea that an American political leader is in a "bromance" with a "dictator."

By attempting such oft-repeated humor, they are able quickly to avoid, under the circumstances, addressing hard numbers or pausing to reflect upon real issues.

Note: I found it interesting to search the internet for "bromance with a dictator" and thereby find various prior, apparently influential, instances. :)
What is the profile of politicians
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deciding where is the money is going?

www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2023/01/FT_23.01.17_CongressAge_1.png

So do you think affordable childcare is a priority so that the persons taking care of kids at home can work and pay more taxes?

It gives us an idea what those white men over 65 y o think of their grandchildren. They're prioritizing ROI for themselves over ROI for families with young children or even worse single parent.

Ironic, isn't it on this Mothers' Day ?

youtu.be/d59kfp7CNCk

For those with a busy schedule you should at lest see the last 75 seconds of it (below). What do you do when you're struggling with life and do not have the luxury of having an option? So when politicians are pretending their defending those struggling with life they are most of the time bs-ing us.

youtu.be/d59kfp7CNCk?t=569
Is a national debt of tens of trillions, generating enormous interest payments every year that must be made by the taxpayers, of concern? Or can we just spend without limit, for whatever we can dream of having, with no need for restraint, reflection or self-control, perhaps counting upon "taxing the rich" (which should include, of course, anyone richer than ourselves)?

Perhaps we should give everybody free tuition to college, to study history! That's the ticket! (Since so few seem to be learning anything from history so far).

Getting back to what we can do for ourselves that would be very helpful: this year, seriously, try to elect not just the best president, but also the best vice president, whoever you honestly believe that to be. And take fevered, emotional appeals with a grain of salt, despite their omnipresence. The choices we make matter more now than ever before in our lifetimes.
>Or can we just spend without limit, for whatever we can dream of having, with no need for restraint, reflection or self-control, perhaps counting upon "taxing the rich" (which should include, of course, anyone richer than ourselves)?

Spendings are not all the same.

>Canadian research shows that every dollar invested in high quality child care programs increases GDP by $2.30 – far ahead of stimulus from construction and manufacturing.
>In the long term every public dollar invested in high quality child care programs returns $2.45 in economic benefits.

>How big are the returns to early childhood programs?

>They can be large. For example, the National Forum on Early Childhood Policy and Programs has found that high quality early childhood programs can yield a $4 – $9 dollar return per $1 invested. A 2009 study of Perry Preschool, a high-quality program for 3-5 year old developed in Michigan in the 1960s, estimated a return to society of between about $7 and $12 for each $1 invested (see Figure 1 below).1 It is important to note that different assumptions can shift estimates and that different studies often rely on different assumptions, limiting comparisons across studies and programs. That said, early childhood stands out as a particularly notable area for investment precisely because so many interventions appear to save money in the longer term.
tl;dr: There's a bit to reflect upon (playfully) but skip to the last sentence for the "bottom line" (figuratively and literally).

Let's assume that each 1 dollar of such "investment" of taxpayer dollars reaps $2.30 in GDP growth.

In the United States, in 2022 (according to some brief internet research that I will simply assume to be correct only for purposes of this thought experiment) the overall tax-to-GDP ratio in the United States was 27.7 % That equates, of course, to a decimal fraction of 0.277 -- but let's be generous and round that to 0.3, for ease of calculation.

Therefore, the government will get back from that $2.30, by way of taxation, 0.3 x 2.30, which is about 69 cents.
So for every such dollar spent, the national debt will increase by 31 cents rather than by 1.00 (since 1.00 minus 0.69 = 0.31). But it will still increase.

If we don't wish to keep increasing the national debt beyond the tens of trillions it already is (or is that just a silly concern?), we apparently will have to raises taxes so as to tax each such additionally generated dollar of GDP by more than 27.7 percent.

Perhaps, instead, to reach 1 / 2.30 = 43.478 percent!

That way, the 1.00 expenditure would create, in resulting additional tax, 0.43478 x 2.30 = 1.00 (rounded to the nearest penny), so that the national debt would not increase.

Assuming a current tax percent of 27.7 and a new tax percent of 43.5 percent (rounding to a tenth), we'd have to increase tax rates on those additionally generated dollars to 43.5 / 27.7 = about 157 percent of what those rates are now.

But, of course, increasing taxation might, in and of itself, have the effect of dampening the economy and retarding GDP growth somewhat. Unfortunately, the economy is a clockwork of feedback loops that are often hard to anticipate with precision.

But let's not worry about what might go wrong! Let's raise taxes by 57 percent and thereby make sure each of those additionally generated dollars of GDP are captured and fully taxed to the extent necessary to make sure that, like doctors, they first do no harm!

Of course, I'm partly kidding, or .... am I? Is Noflaps a horrible old Sophist, pulling the collective leg, at least in part? Or is he a righteous defender of the national "lock box" -- where (we were once told) social security funds should be kept.

Somewhere out there, some clever or at least diligent person might end up thinking: wait, Noflaps is rather wrong, I can feel it! He's missing something! Will that excellent person be able to slog through this lengthy diatribe, and then quickly identify as mistaken, and then clearly correct and refine, some of my musings?

I sincerely look forward to reading such a refinement! It's fun to read the wise responses of others, as this lovely forum so often permits! Chess players, after all, are excellent human beings, typically. And sound mathematical reasoning is always to be promoted and cherished.

HOWEVER, if we ARE going to deficit-spend (which seems to be becoming rather dangerous), I quite agree with @bfchessguy (apparently) that spending on early childhood programs is one of the very best ways to do it, especially since kids aren't responsible for the deficit mess we've made so far.
Actually, I didn't "choose" the number, it was presented to me and I used it: with the unstated assumption that U.S. GDP and Canadian G.D.P. would probably benefit by about the same relative percentage from such investment, since the mechanisms would seem to be similar.

We could, I suppose, instead use the Canadian tax to GDP ratio for 2022 which (again, based only on brief internet research that I will assume true only for the thought experiment) is a much lower 12.83 percent! Canada is apparently taxed at a generally much LOWER rate on its GDP than the U.S is. Interesting, no?

That means each $1.00 of tax dollar "investment" -- leading to a $ 2.30 growth in GDP will return even LESS additional taxation to the Canadian government than it would to the U.S. government (since in Canada it will apparently return only 0.1283 x $ 2.30 = about 30 cents), and make an increase in tax rates even MORE important in Canada (since 1.00 - 0.30 would leave about 70 cents of the initial spending increase uncompensated by gained tax revenue)!

So, if anything, my musings are strengthened if we switch to considering only Canada, not weakened!

On the other hand, Canada apparently hasn't created the disproportionate national debt that America has and might therefore have much more flexibility to create more debt! Funny, isn't it, given that in the U.S. a much bigger percentage of our GDP apparently is taken by taxation, despite the rather popular conception that we just don't tax enough!

Good job, Canada, in not running up the national debt to the same extent as the U.S. while still not taxing your GDP proportionately as much! Odd how the U.S.'s apparently higher (proportionately) tax burden leaves us (apparently) with a higher (proportionately) national debt.

Are the numbers wrong? Or is there some sort of unanticipated and possibly unwelcome learning to be had, somehow, from all this....
I think we can agree that it is flabbergasting that we keep voting for those politicians that are screwing us.

Even in Canada last few weeks showed the division and insults is the way to go for winning elections in Social Medias Era. Choosing the lesser of 2 evils does not mean I agree with Biden's and Trudeau BS-ing.
It looks like we DO agree about some things, @bfchessguy, even if we might not agree about which evil is the lesser.

But we can eventually figure that out, by looking at actual numbers, not promises or fearful spin from either side.

Incidentally, so far nobody's found the logical flaw in my earlier post. There IS a flaw, I promise, although my main point was true: spending more usually doesn't really "pay for itself." And, if the U.S. weren't already taxing and spending so much with so little current prospect of revision, we might find some better things to spend money upon, as you seemed to imply.